Two-years-in bag

[tjh0188]

Distance capabilities: putters-200ish/mids-300ish/drivers-too inconsistent
I throw rhbh as well as forehand, but not very well fh.

170 flat star boss brand new
172 beat star Xcaliber - hardcore wind disc
170 star destroyer pretty flat, not much dome
170 pro destroyer kinda beat mild dome
154 blizzard destroyer poppy top
170 star beast/166 pro beast kinda beat in
175 dx eagle x new
175 champ teebird new
177 GL river
177 z buzz
176 12x kc roc
171 dx roc barely beat
176 firm ibex
176 firm VP
171 medium ridge

Any overlap or redundancy point em out. I'm open to suggestions. The eagle and ibex are in the bag for testing. Ibex seems really sensitive to release angles or something. I just haven't had much luck with it thus far. But its probably just my terrible form.

[JR]

Ibex is a great too underappreciated mid that is somewhat user error tolerant. The reason for your driver inconsistencies lie in the form and in the discs above the Eagle X in your list. At this point you should do a lot of field practice with putters and mids and you should bust out drivers only on the course and headwinds to learn the fastest. It's not a playing time but distance issue. A video would help too. Rocs, Buzzzes and Ibexes compete for the same role so i'd pick one or two you like the best. Rocs are shorter and beat into less stable and are cheaper so you'd save money and get distance control from the longer and faster lower flying Ibex/Buzzz and the latter are easier on the grip give more user error tolerance into headwinds for less than perfect form.

[tjh0188]

Thanks for the input! I'm working on building a tripod to mount my phone to for taking video so when I get that set up ill post some video. But most of my form issues while driving involves my run up I think. Aside from that I really need to force myself to get comfortable holding the disc with 4 fingers. I have big hands and long fingers so I usually hold drivers with three.

[JR]

Can you consistently throw in the correct direction with only two fingers? That leads more easily to micro slips or even early slips. YMMV but for me the added looseness of the forearm muscles adds so much more acceleration ability that the reduced disc pivot is more than compensated for with the added speed.

[tjh0188]

So in other words you suggest I work on getting used to a real grip and quit throwing like a sissy. This is gonna take a while >.<

[tjh0188]

Got some practice in today. Made a few very nice shots and only threw the destroyers for giggles. Still maxing out about 300ish with the buzz + eagle, river but much more accurate using 4 fingers. It just feels funky.

[tjh0188]

Also, threw the buzz and ibex back to back the same way (hyzerflip) on the same hole and the ibex just went right, whereas the buzz went straight as anticipated. I don't know much about the ibexes so any input on how they like to be thrown would be much appreciated. I really enjoy the way the vibram stuff I have feels so I would hate to kick it out of my bag.

[JR]

Good Buzzzes won't flip and Ibexes neither so you have OAT going on. Whether it comes from unclean releases or other causes like wrist rolls or the arm following through low i can't say. Two finger grip is not for most and especially annies tend to slip out and they are the most catastrophic misses because you wanna go right and early slips lead to high stalling left finishes. Two finger grip needs a lot of finger power. 300' Buzzz is good getting the same with the Eagle and the River sure ain't. That is almost certainly nose up problem. Do the drivers climb and stall with a heavy fade?

[tjh0188]

They used to, they sure don't now. I started dropping my throwing shoulder to bring my throw down and I have straightened out considerably. Now just to get some more momentum going. Been primarily throwing the eagle and river for anything over 300 and using the buzz and kc roc below 300.

[JR]

So the lines are good but do you throw with under 8' apexes with the Eagles and Rivers? That may limit the distance. But more likely you don't generate enough power so do you reach back fully turning the back and the toes away from the target at the farthest point of reach back?

[tjh0188]

I can't say for sure the height, but I can say they aren't stalling out like they were before. I have been turning my body much more but I think I still have some timing to figure out.

[JR]

Do the discs fly with nose parallel to the ground or low not stalling but with a hair nose up? That can slow down the disc without lifting it super high at that power. Then wrist angle and a constant height pull from the reach back to the rip should help some too. Video is the only way to tell for sure. Weight forward or at least being upright is a major issue too.

[tjh0188]

Bag update. Added a 175 fd and a 169 champion orc and have had some fantastic results.

[tjh0188]

New bag lineup:
172 beat XCal
170 medium wear Pro Destroyer
154 Blizzard Destroyer
168 champ Starfire
169 beat pearly champ Orc
170 star Beast
175 12x champ teebird
175 s-fd
177 gl River
177 z Buzz
176 SM Roc, KC Roc, Star Rancho Roc
176 V.P. medium
171 Ridge medium

[tjh0188]

changes and such:
170 AJ *DS (for giggles, i still don't quite have the arm for it.)
168 domey Pro Wraith ( MAX D)
168 Champ Starfire (WIND)
172 P-PD
170 Star Beast (understable till P-PD beats in)
171 Star Firebird (super extra stupid overstable)
168 Star Valk
175 Champ TeeBird
175 S-FD
177 GL River
177 Z Buzz
176 Star SM Roc, KC Roc, Star Rancho Roc
176 V.P. medium (got this sucker out to 270 or so the other day!)
171 Ridge medium
172 Summit firm


making lots of distance headway. controlling my power with my fairway drivers has yielded some of my best improvements over the last month or so, same with midranges. who knew golf was about control! S-PD and P-DD in the mail