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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot

Postby masterbeato » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:42 pm

PMantle wrote:Dan,

What's that song in that video? Thanks.


It is actualy a song from a local group "Buffalo Alice" written by Alex Aaron, the same man who did this video but I do not know the song title unfortunately.

keltik wrote:Dan, what are you putting with nowadays? what's in your bag in general? you've been MIA for a while now...


I am putting with KC Aviars. Yeah I have not been doing much of anything with DG lately, I was traveling a little bit last year but that was it. Went down to Iowa to play the G&L Clothing Challenge.

jwb wrote:Is it bad to curl the disc a little toward your forearm? To try an adding a little more pivot or snap. It almost looks like Wysocki does this.


To learn snap, yes. To add snap, it doesn't do much. What you may be seeing in his throw is similar to what Timmy Gill used to do in his throw was tilting the forearm pulling back then uncorking back to normal as the pivot was happening. That adds strength.
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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot

Postby PMantle » Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:26 pm

masterbeato wrote:
PMantle wrote:Dan,

What's that song in that video? Thanks.


It is actualy a song from a local group "Buffalo Alice" written by Alex Aaron, the same man who did this video but I do not know the song title unfortunately.


Using that, I found this video. It must be "Dragonfly". You can hear it in the background at times. Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrX8THe4R0o
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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot

Postby masterbeato » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:58 pm

There we go!

I personally dig his music. It is a good way to get your music out there just throw it in a Disc Golf video.
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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot

Postby PMantle » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:59 pm

Great music and learn how to throw-all in one :lol:
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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot

Postby BrotherDave » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:57 pm

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BrotherDave wrote:I would absolutely love to see an overhead camera view of Beto throwing. It's really hard for me to conceptualize this rail thing without seeing it in real time and I tried watching the "driving with Dan Beto" vid but it just looks like any other throw.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj6kpdnYJzc

Here you go BrotherDave, this is a vanity video "MyThrow" shot last year and it has some angles and an overhead shot (1:58) including one in slow motion at 2:04.

Sorry it took so long!

Word, thanks brother!

Now I can't believe how much power you have, your throw is so effortless and your pivot just looks really underwhelming compared to mine. I feel like a complete failure whenever I see you throw. :lol:
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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot?

Postby dlwiener » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:50 am

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=24903&start=15#p393954

I know this may be a foolish question but I'm not making any progress with the distance of my shots. Where is the target in the picture posted near the beginning of this thread? If the target is to the right of the page then I've got the whole thing wrong and I have to reconstruct my shot from scratch, Ughhhhh : (
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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot?

Postby itlnstln » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:49 pm

dlwiener wrote:http://www.discgolfreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=24903&start=15#p393954

I know this may be a foolish question but I'm not making any progress with the distance of my shots. Where is the target in the picture posted near the beginning of this thread? If the target is to the right of the page then I've got the whole thing wrong and I have to reconstruct my shot from scratch, Ughhhhh : (


The target would be at the top of the page. The diagram isn't exact, but you would be roughly 90 deg. away (+/- a few degrees) from the target at the hit.
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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot

Postby dlwiener » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:15 pm

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=24903&start=30

I'm still confused? You're whirling around in a clockwise circle and at the top of the arc, top of the page, the hit, the disc leaves perpendicular to the circle, not tangent? In this enhanced diagram I believe the disc is the pale green circle. I'm thinking that the Purple shape on the edge of the pale green circle is like the head of a hammer. How can the target be at the top of the page if the hammerhead is to the right of the page for the good throw, shouldn't the disc go in the direction of the hammerhead at the hit, like to the right? Or maybe, does the hammerhead to the right cause the disc to rip out of you fingers and go perpendicular to the whirling circle, to the top of the page? Thanks for your patience, I just can't seem to wrap my head around what seems like magic...all I know for sure is that my throws are dreadful!
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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot

Postby niq » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:55 am

the target is straight up (north) in the picture. The pale green circle is the disc, the purple shape is your hand. Hopefully that clears things up for you
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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot

Postby Stringbean » Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:34 pm

dlwiener wrote:http://www.discgolfreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=24903&start=30
Thanks for your patience, I just can't seem to wrap my head around what seems like magic...all I know for sure is that my throws are dreadful!


This is also more of an advance techinque. If you aren't throwing your fairways in the range of 325-350, then you likely have some fundamental flaws in your form that should be corrected first.
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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot

Postby DiscJay » Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:24 pm

masterbeato wrote:
CatPredator wrote:The pull line image isn't so much about coming in at an angle as it is getting into the power pocket with a shoulder pause. The abrupt turn is telling of how far forward Dan gets the disc before chopping his elbow, how slow the disc is going when it gets there, and then how explosive the acceleration is during his elbow/wrist release. It's all about the increasing arc radius or w/e Blake was talking about in that other thread but there is some funky stuff that goes on in the muscles of his arms and hands that makes him a distance freak too.

If you've been stuck at 350' for a long time BroD, you probably rotate your shoulders too fast too early, don't get your elbow forward enough, grip too hard and too early, and don't have your weight centered during your throw. Being off balance can really kill the pace of your shot, as you're forced into bad timing because you're essentially falling over. Also, a video critique is the obvious way to get useful feedback that isn't speculation.


I am learning a lot about my throw in this thread, funny I have not seen Blake post this thread to begin with. Of course it has been about a year since I have been fully active on this site due to life's busy chores.

Cat, my muscles are freaky because I do a lot of wrist pushups ;) nah, I do a lot of workouts that strengthen fast twitch fibers.

My intake on all of this, when it first started to make sense to me I accompanied Blake quite a lot last year (2012 now, geez!) with a few gentlemen on this newly found "rail" theory. Pulling from outside-in is something I consciously made an effort to do so because I accidentally did something weird once on the course and had an immediate "2nd" breakthrough, but it wasn't just the outside-in pull as a lot of players do this, even though that was what made me realize that I am doing something else far superior of what I was previously doing. I did not realize what it was until I spent another godawful aching 13 hours in the field.

The explanation fits perfectly of how I felt while I was throwing with this new found technique, and I found it by going back to the grass roots of where it all started, and I basically tweeked a bigger circular motion I got from the pec drill while gaining faster acceleration due to the new redirection while I was experimenting with the "outside-in" pull. My throw is very "pec drill" savvy. Easy to control and very consistent, also easy to find flaws if I am having a bad day and that is all I shaped my throw around in the last 3 - 4 years or so, not power. Power just came from experimenting from my mistakes.


This post was the one that led to my "breakthrough" though I think I still have timing issues because the disc ejects to the right on almost all my throws now. The outside-in path helped me get further into the power pocket and the disc comes out way faster. I think I am getting my shoulders around too soon and that leads to my throws coming out about 10 to fifteen degrees right of my intended line. Timing is the hardest thing to work on. Any tips?
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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot

Postby JR » Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:51 pm

Slowing down. Then slowing down then retardely slowing down. Then stopping the motions in each stage of the throw to strike a pose in front of a mirror or otherwise freezing and checking where everything is preferably with a high speed camera but a regular one helps too.

do you begin the arm pull before the plant step lands? The secobd reason is not getting the eisc close to the right pec.

brace the plant step for a while to get deep into the power pocket.
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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot

Postby DiscJay » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:34 am

JR wrote:Slowing down. Then slowing down then retardely slowing down. Then stopping the motions in each stage of the throw to strike a pose in front of a mirror or otherwise freezing and checking where everything is preferably with a high speed camera but a regular one helps too.

do you begin the arm pull before the plant step lands? The secobd reason is not getting the eisc close to the right pec.

brace the plant step for a while to get deep into the power pocket.


I think you are right. I will need to re-visit slowing down. I had a few really good launches when I slowed down to see if I could "feel" more and try to get the power pocket more ingrained. I will definitely get on that.

I will have to check on whether or not I am starting the pull before the plant step. I am working more on stand still throws at the moment but I definitely do take a few throws each session with a run up. I would bet that I am starting the pull a little early though, good call.

I have been working separately on making the plant step "take longer" to lead with my hip. I will work on that also. Thanks very much for the tips. I will have to get the video camera out and take some high speed vids to look at and maybe post them up here for y'all to take a look at.
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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot

Postby DiscJay » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:40 am

So I went to the field this weekend and slowing way down again seems to have paid off as far as getting the disc further into the power pocket and getting the timing right to get the disc to come out straight in front of me and not off to the right. My concern now is that the disc comes out hyser everytime. I cannot seem to throw flat anymore, any thoughts?

I really appreciate the help.
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Re: The Myth of Disc Pivot

Postby Stringbean » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:42 pm

Throw about 50 annhyzers. Then try to throw flat.
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