Looking for an out of the box stable-understable driver

[Pwingles]

At the moment I am using a combination of rocs for shots 200-300 ft, i have all my shots covered for that distance and shorter for the most part.

I am looking for a stable to understable driver to compliment my PD's. I have 5 PD's in the bag currently, 3 S, 1P, 1C.
I dont really need 5, ive been trying to beat my 2 new S's in at the same rate to go along with my older S which is currently perfect. The P will hold a turn, but either flexes out or turns into a roller too often for my liking.

I am lacking a disc that will hold a right turn without serious OAT (RHBH) for the length I am needing, which is from about 275-350. I am not looking for a huge speed gap id say same speed or down to i guess 8-9 on Innovas scale.

I have tried Rivers, theyre too LSS (maybe try a lighter one?) and i find you have to throw them sometimes too hard and they become unpredictable.
I would normally use Leo's, but the best Leo's are beat leos and im tired of having to beat them in. Also leos are a little unpredictable at this range.

Ive toyed with the idea of putting Teebirds back in the back for this spot, but again they need to be beaten. I have some currently but that would be more of a bandaid.

Ideas so far are

Roadrunner
Sidewinder
Sols
Stalker
TL (slower than i want really, and at this length less predictable than a leo)
TD
Assassin
Avenger SS
Valk
JLS (not sure but i think this is slower than i want)

[niuvalleycane]

Valerie - comes in every permutation of plastic, one of the myriad versions will work







of course I mean Valkyrie

[MDP]

Valerie - comes in every permutation of plastic, one of the myriad versions will work







of course I mean Valkyrie

I haven't thrown Valkyries in a while, but I still think you'd have to beat them in to get a true understable driver that won't flex out. However, a DX Valk should beat in pretty quick.

I think a lighter Roadrunner would work for what you're after. Sidewinder is more LSS and tends to flex out more than a RR. You may also want to try a lighter Vision: similar to a Valk but with less LSS.

I don't have to much experience with the others on your list but there may be others that work.

[clard]

XLs are really sweet. The Z XLs are my favorite, but I haven't tried any others. An X might turn over nicely after a few thwacks into a tree.

[isobar]

With what little bit you mentioned about your power, you seem to throw about the same level as me.

I have a Roadrunner that i can put on any line I want, 300 foot straight tunnel shots, or 300 foot anny shots that glide right and look pretty. So that gets my vote.

[Nick M]

JLS is money for me on turnovers and very controllable. It goes crazy far on annys with a big tailwind. I use it for turnovers in the 300-375 range, it can be thrown hard.

[Fizzy]

I've been using pro Leopards for exactly this purpose (complementing a bunch of PDs). They're really predictable and controllable for an understable disc. New they're good for a lot of medium-stable shots or longer hyzer-flips. Occasionally I wish they were a bit longer, but a worn P-PD plays this role fine at Max power.

[Fizzy]

JLS is money for me on turnovers and very controllable. It goes crazy far on annys with a big tailwind. I use it for turnovers in the 300-375 range, it can be thrown hard.

I can second that suggestion. Stephan Mueller 4498 of Switzerland plays a two driver bag: LF and JLS. He's sick with those two, 1000+ rated last time I checked. I can easily see the pairing with the PD working just as well. The JLS is good for understable duty over a wide range of distances. It's fast.

[dgfanatic7]

vulcans are nice, even though they are star, my first one beat in a couple weeks, from there it was perfect, get ur hands on a vulcan if you can, i dont think you will be disappointed

[Pwingles]

friends dont let other friends throw a vulcan

[dgfanatic7]

friends dont let other friends throw a vulcan

and quoting from another member, every groove is a unique snowflake of suck

[money 21]

i like the x xs for this spot

[fanter]

I have a Sidewinder and some Valkyries you can try out.

[Peot]

I have found Sidewinders to be squirrely. Not just flippy, but hard to control. Roadrunners have great glide and are super easy to throw. At your level of power you would need a beat Valk in any kind of premium plastic for such a thing. What about an L64 Vision?

[Steve]

The Orion ls would also fill that gap. The 1.3 sols is sweet out of the box and with a little tree love the qols has become my favorite. The disc has glide that will put it out with large rimmed discs but feels like a fairway driver in your hand.