Fast overstable slot.

[Mike C]

I've had 20mph headwinds flip both Forces and my Quasar for me. I was never happy with the HSS of a Force in a strong headwind, even if their strong fade means they'll often come back if they get turned a bit, that's why I never bagged them.

I don't have a good recommendation for the OP. I'd kind of like something here as well...maybe I need one of the OS Quasars? I've always just used my Predators in a really strong headwind. They're not the longest disc out there but it's a mold I trust very much to perform well in these conditions. They do not turn on me in a headwind.

[JR]

I've had 20mph headwinds flip both Forces and my Quasar for me. I was never happy with the HSS of a Force in a strong headwind, even if their strong fade means they'll often come back if they get turned a bit, that's why I never bagged them.

I don't have a good recommendation for the OP. I'd kind of like something here as well...maybe I need one of the OS Quasars? I've always just used my Predators in a really strong headwind. They're not the longest disc out there but it's a mold I trust very much to perform well in these conditions. They do not turn on me in a headwind.

Have you thrown a Spirit? That should take you power and way more than 20 MPH headwinds without trouble. Otherwise it's a meat hook.

[latitude]

I was throwing a flat proline tsunami in the wind last night it worked great might not be as fast as you want but it was going out sweet for me.

I think this guy wants a faster disc. A Tsunami is basically an old mold Predator, which is closer to a speed 10 disc.

Yeah for the reeeally big headwinds as well as a bit more controlled shots forehand I usually pull out my flat top Ch FireBird, works great for the purpose but not fast enought with enought glide as for example a PD2 has

[Fightingthetide]

Flat, first run C PD's are money into the wind. For my arm (under 400') they are perfect. We had some 15mph+ winds the other week and I was shooting accurate and relatively far into the wind with my 175 FR C PD from a flat release.

[what'shisname]

Flat, first run C PD's are money into the wind. For my arm (under 400') they are perfect. We had some 15mph+ winds the other week and I was shooting accurate and relatively far into the wind with my 175 FR C PD from a flat release.

CFR Pd's are my goto into the wind as well, but they're not very long and I've been looking for a reliable distance driver into the wind as well. I use the CPD2 a bit now for that slot right now and have even been playing around with my opto flow's in the wind with some good success. I have to be a little too careful with the angles on them though.

[Mike C]

Have you thrown a Spirit? That should take you power and way more than 20 MPH headwinds without trouble. Otherwise it's a meat hook.

Yeah, it felt horrible in a backhand power grip to me and it never flew further than my Predators did unless it was a thumber. Faster, yeah, but too overstable for distance.

[Sean40474]

Flat, first run C PD's are money into the wind. For my arm (under 400') they are perfect. We had some 15mph+ winds the other week and I was shooting accurate and relatively far into the wind with my 175 FR C PD from a flat release.

I must have flippy ones then. When I was in Joplin it was 15+ with gusts to 25 and mine were getting flipped from hyzer on 330+ holes.

[JR]

Have you thrown a Spirit? That should take you power and way more than 20 MPH headwinds without trouble. Otherwise it's a meat hook.

Yeah, it felt horrible in a backhand power grip to me and it never flew further than my Predators did unless it was a thumber. Faster, yeah, but too overstable for distance.

True in calm conditions, but i wouldn't break out the Spirit for other than meathook trick shots, skips and nuts headwinds, where regular wind fighters may get less predictable.

[kern9787]

So after a few days with the NukeOS... I can't find much of a use for it. It reminds me of a wide rimmed XXX. But I don't feel like I get any more distance out of it. It just seems to follow the same path as a XXX, but faster. I can't find a shot I could do with it that I couldn't do more comfortably with a Z Pred.

I also gave the Z Force a second chance. The first experience I had with one was a flat, tourney stamp Z. Flippy POS. The second one I got my hands on was another tourney stamp Z, but with a moderate dome. Same thing, flipped much more than I expected it to. In the exact same conditions, my CPD2 tracked right slightly after standing up from a little bit of hyzer, then faded to ~430. I'll take the force out again sometime this week, but I don't see myself liking it, and I don't want a really domey disc for a headwind disc preferably.

[Mike C]

Sounds like the last time I threw my max weight Z force. I was having a more difficult time controlling it than my Orc, lol.

[Fightingthetide]

Anyone have experience with max weight C DD's or Champ Wraiths in this slot? My max D in favorable conditions is 380' or maybe a little more, and I'm wondering if I can find a headwind driver that will carry a little further than my C PD's that doesn't require a 400'+ arm.

[CatPredator]

Anyone have experience with max weight C DD's or Champ Wraiths in this slot? My max D in favorable conditions is 380' or maybe a little more, and I'm wondering if I can find a headwind driver that will carry a little further than my C PD's that doesn't require a 400'+ arm.

The Wraith isn't the best choice for a headwind fighter. Even though I'd feel comfortable throwing one <400' in a moderate headwind, it's not really an overstable disc, and it will turn quite a bit in strong headwinds. You're kind of at the power level where you can't trust the Wraith. If you had 50'+ more power, you could trust it to flip a little and fly slightly turned over for a large part of the flight. If you had a bit less power you could probably rely on the Wraith even in pretty strong winds. As it stands, it may or may not turn over for you, depending on how good of a rip you gave it and what the wind is doing, and that's not a situation you're really looking for.

I've seen Mark Ellis really talking up the Crush on here. He might chime in about how that is the disc you are looking for! I use the Teebird, Pred, and Force for my headwind duties. FWIW I can throw champ Teebirds significantly farther than beefy C-PDs with great precision, even in strong headwinds. An S-PD would also make sense as a compliment to the C-PD...

[Fightingthetide]

Anyone have experience with max weight C DD's or Champ Wraiths in this slot? My max D in favorable conditions is 380' or maybe a little more, and I'm wondering if I can find a headwind driver that will carry a little further than my C PD's that doesn't require a 400'+ arm.

The Wraith isn't the best choice for a headwind fighter. Even though I'd feel comfortable throwing one <400' in a moderate headwind, it's not really an overstable disc, and it will turn quite a bit in strong headwinds. You're kind of at the power level where you can't trust the Wraith. If you had 50'+ more power, you could trust it to flip a little and fly slightly turned over for a large part of the flight. If you had a bit less power you could probably rely on the Wraith even in pretty strong winds. As it stands, it may or may not turn over for you, depending on how good of a rip you gave it and what the wind is doing, and that's not a situation you're really looking for.

I've seen Mark Ellis really talking up the Crush on here. He might chime in about how that is the disc you are looking for! I use the Teebird, Pred, and Force for my headwind duties. FWIW I can throw champ Teebirds significantly farther than beefy C-PDs with great precision, even in strong headwinds. An S-PD would also make sense as a compliment to the C-PD...

Then I might just stick with PD's into the wind or now. They work exceptionally well.

I'm already going to pick up a non-flat 175 S or C PD to add to the lineup, and I have a fresh 168 S PD that shows a tiny bit of turn right now. So I feel set there. Thanks for the tip.

[Dookville]

If you want to go faster and maintain the stability, why wouldn't a Champ Boss or a C-DD2 be a consideration?

[Frank Delicious]

I've seen Mark Ellis really talking up the Crush on here. He might chime in about how that is the disc you are looking for! I use the Teebird, Pred, and Force for my headwind duties. FWIW I can throw champ Teebirds significantly farther than beefy C-PDs with great precision, even in strong headwinds. An S-PD would also make sense as a compliment to the C-PD...

The crush and the flash both fall under (for me) great drivers that mold up wildly inconsistently.