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midrange discs over-rated ??

Postby matt » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:00 pm

what can any midrange do that a well thrown putter or slow fairway cant? i used to like sharks/ rocs but found i can do everything + more with a cheetah/ aviar combo.
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Postby scoot_er » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:04 pm

I just put mids back into my bag just for holes that have too low of a ceiling for a putter on 260+ shots.
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Postby matt » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:08 pm

i feel u but cheetah does that awesome, to me its like a longer roc and it doesnt crash real sharp like other fairways.
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Postby scoot_er » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:15 pm

matt wrote:i feel u but cheetah does that awesome, to me its like a longer roc and it doesnt crash real sharp like other fairways.


I was doing the same as you and just using my sabre but I came to the conclusion that an element would work much better on those holes that weren't over 350. I can throw a putter farther than a mid so I used to just use the putter and a slower driver (for the past 6 months) but you have more room for erroen in most mids VS slower drivers.
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Postby Blake_T » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:23 pm

matt:

the longer you throw, the greater the spread between disc lengths.

the cheetah was one of the 5 longest discs on the market in 1996.

midranges have an advantage mainly because of their speed.

a roc can do a lot of shots that an aviar can't do (low mid length) but it's way more accurate than a driver.
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Postby matt » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:32 pm

way more accurate is relative cuz u can flip a roc off the flight pattern or fade it too much but not really with a cheetah. also an aviar will fall so straight on approaches, unlike a roc unless its beat
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Postby scoot_er » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:38 pm

matt wrote:way more accurate is relative cuz u can flip a roc off the flight pattern or fade it too much but not really with a cheetah. also an aviar will fall so straight on approaches, unlike a roc unless its beat



HUH? I'm sure you can flip a cheetah. I threw throw on S shots when I was 11.
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Postby matt » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:48 pm

u can flip anything really but i have had more bad shots w/ rocs like losin em in wind cuz of the blunt lip and dome and once the nose is down its over. a 175 cheetah behaves like a midrange with added distance if u gunn it, and the crash is about the same as a roc too.
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Postby Blake_T » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:01 pm

you are describing cheetah throws that involve very little finish power.

if you aren't finishing, accuracy becomes difficult.

i can only turn rocs over if i'm trying to throw them > 340' (which isn't often) and/or in situations w/ 15+mph headwinds.

if you nut on a cheetah it turns much more easily than a roc.
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Postby frizfraz » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:10 pm

for me midranges are great for short holes, I can't throw putters very far, mostly because the grip doesn't feel right when trying to throw far. I can get a roc to do whatever I want. that's just my opinion though
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Postby black udder » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:18 pm

You don't need midrange discs. I know people that play fine without them. However, they do have a place in the game.

Your question was what can a midrange do that a putter or fairway driver can't.

Bottom answer is that "mid range distance". They fly with less height than a putter and with less fade and skip than a driver. There are some courses that for some players are just midrange courses. They don't have the distance that would require a driver but they do have the sharp or lengthy turns that are too much for a putter.

Again, if you don't want to use a midrange, you can develop a game without them. You need more accurate touch driver shots and better long putting skills.

For people with bigger arms, a midrange would do well over 250' and less than 400'. While you could throw putters further and drivers shorter, that would seem to me to be the "sweet" spot for midrange discs. Give or take some of that distance depending on the situation and thrower.
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Postby dgdave » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:22 pm

I feel much more comfortable throwing a mid at 90%-100% than throwing a driver at about 60%.
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Postby Blake_T » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:29 pm

stable mids are much more wind resistant than putters.

basically, fairway drivers should get 85-90% of your distance driver distance.
midranges should get about 75% of your dristance driver distance.
putters should get about 70% of your distance driver distance.

when you do the math, the longer you throw in general widens the distance ranges between each type.
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Postby matt » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:31 pm

i hear alot of people talk about rippin rocs over 300' straight, but unless i hyzer- flip it and throw it high, its not gettin that kind of d; its just not fast enough. i do agree there def is a gap from putter to fairway driver for experienced throwers but the lips on the slower fairways like the gazelle, cheetah, viper, cyclone... fill the role of an overstable midrange better than a roc does imo. i just wish the viper was small diameter. the lip on the gator blows imo. and just to cross reference, there aint much difference b/w the putters and the midranges in terms of the lip and speed.
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Postby scoot_er » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:33 pm

matt wrote:i hear alot of people talk about rippin rocs over 300' straight, but unless i hyzer- flip it and throw it high, its not gettin that kind of d; its just not fast enough. i do agree there def is a gap from putter to fairway driver for experienced throwers but the lips on the slower fairways like the gazelle, cheetah, viper, cyclone... fill the role of an overstable midrange better than a roc does imo. i just wish the viper was small diameter. the lip on the gator blows imo. and just to cross reference, there aint much difference b/w the putters and the midranges in terms of the lip and speed.


You probably don't have the arm to use a mid to its full potential. To get that arm though you need to throw Mids and putters.
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